RCMP opens investigation into claims China intimidated MP Chong

The head of the RCMP saysthe national police force is investigatingallegations China attempted to target and intimidateConservative MP Michael Chong and his family.

Commissioner Mike Duhemealso told MPs on theprocedure and House affairs committee Tuesday morning that he only learned about the matter recently,despite the fact that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service(CSIS)drafteda memo on the matter back in 2021.

"When we weremade aware of it, we approached Mr. Chong and began the investigation,"Duhemesaid.

"Any matters that can be charged, any person that can be charged with the Criminal Code, we will do so."

The committee is studyingan alleged 2021 Beijing plot to amass information on Chong'sfamily in retaliation for his efforts to recognize the persecution of Uyghurs as genocide. Duheme saidChong's case isone of morethan 100 investigations theRCMP has openedon foreign interference.

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RCMP Commissioner Michael Duheme and Deputy Commissioner Mark Flynn say the RCMP opened an investigation into 'reported allegations of intimidation' targeting MP Michael Chong and other parliamentarians.

The committee is also looking intohow information from CSISis shared, or not, with other agencies and the federal cabinet.

Duheme, who appeared alongside Deputy Commissioner Mark Flynn, said the RCMPonly learned about the Chong matter throughmedia reports.

TheGlobe and Mail last month published an article,citing a 2021 top-secret CSISdocument, saying that China's intelligence agency was seeking information about an unnamed Canadian MP's relatives "who may be located in the PRC, for further potential sanctions."A national security sourcereportedly told the Globe that the MP targeted wasChong and that Zhao Wei, a Chinese diplomat in Canada, was working on this matter.

"I'm aware of that type of threat being present but I was not aware of the specifics," Flynn told the committee Tuesday.

"The news that individuals, parliamentarians, and the general public in Canada are subjected to threats and intimidation is not news."

Duhemesaid he doesn't remember seeing a CSIS memo warning of Beijing's alleged efforts to targetparliamentarians.

"I'm not saying that we didn't get it, but I don't recall reading the memo," he said

Conservative MP LucBertholdtold the two men that it's a "real problem" that the memo from CSISwasn't shared with the RCMP.

"I wouldn't be proud of that," he said in French.

Both Mounties also addressedthe matterof turning rawCSIS intelligenceinto criminal evidence.

"The reality is we do have distinct organizations with distinct mandates involved in the national security space to combat this threat," Flynn responded."There is at times an appropriate withholding of specific information."

Duhemeadded the RCMP welcomes any review of the flow of intelligence.

"I'm not here to judge the service on one single aspect, but if we can improve the flow of information, for sure, for the better of everyone," he said.

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RCMP Deputy Commissioner Mark Flynn says 'foreign interference is a broad problem' that includes different targets, such as academic institutions and intellectual property.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, his national security and intelligence adviser Jody Thomas andcabinet ministers have also said CSIS never briefed them on the Chong matterand they only learned about it from reports in The Globe.

Thomas testified last week thatCSIS sent the memo to her interim predecessor David Morrisonandthree deputy ministers across government in 2021,but the message effectively went into a "black hole."

Ex-NSIA said CSIS memo wasn't meant to be briefed up

MPs on the committee pounced on that statement Tuesday when Morrison, who served as the acting national security and intelligence adviser during part of the summer of 2021, appeared as a witness.

He told MPs the CSIS memo in question was part of a reading package onAug. 17, two days after the 2021 election was called.The report did not name Chong or any other MP, he said.

"I have no recollection of receiving it or reading it then," he testified. "I was fully occupied with the evacuation of Afghanistan, as Kabul had fallen only twodays before."

WATCH |July 2021 CSIS foreign interference report 'widely misunderstood,' says deputy minister

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Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs David Morrison discusses the CSIS report that sparked the Globe's reporting on Beijing's alleged targeting of parliamentarians.

Morrison, now the deputy minister at Global Affairs Canada, said he read it once the dust settledbut added "the report was never intended to spur action by readers."

"It was certainly not something I would have rushed to brief-up the prime minister on," he said.

Conservative MP Michael Cooper called it "unacceptable" that Morrison didn't raise alarm bells.

"And [it] really undermines your credibility," he said.

Morrison said he did order a follow-up report, which was finished in January 2022, but he had vacated the national security adviser role by that time.

'The process did not work':Vigneault

A recent report from special rapporteurDavid Johnston tasked by Prime Minister Trudeau back in March with looking into allegations that China tried to meddle in the past two federal elections pointed to problemswith how intelligence is shared.Johnston announced his resignation as special rapporteur last week, sayinghis role had become too muddled in political controversy for him to continue.

His first report found that CSIS sent an "issues management note" to then-public safety minister Bill Blair, his chief of staff and his deputy minister in May 2021. He said the note warned of "intelligence that the [People's Republic of China] intended to target Mr. Chong, another MP, and their family in China (if any)."

Blair said he never saw it.

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Conservative MP questions CSIS director on communication with minister on foreign interference

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Conservative MP Michael Cooper asked CSIS Director David Vigneault about the sort of discussions he had with then-public safety minister Bill Blair on foreign interference. Vigneault said a note was sent to the department but he did not have 'specific discussions on that specific note' with Blair.

"The director determined this was not information the minister needed to know,"the ministertold the House affairs committee last week.

CSIS Director David Vigneault, testifyingbeforethe House committee Tuesday night, said he didn't make that determination.

"The purpose of this note, itwas to bring it to the attention of those people who it [was] destined to," Vigneaultsaid.

"I think the fact that we did an issue management note speaks to the notion that we wanted to highlight the information."

Still, the head of CSIS said it's an example of gaps in intelligence-sharing.

"What is clear is that the process did not work," he said."There is a need to make significant improvement."

Vigneault also was askedwhy Chong wasn't briefed on the specifics of China's attempts to intimidate his family and the fact that a Chinese diplomat in Canada was involved.

He said the case highlights the limits on who CSISis permitted tobriefand recommended that Parliament update
and modernize the CSIS Act.

RCMP has shared info on O'Toole, Kwan

Duheme and Flynn said the RCMPalsooffered to assistthe commissioner of Canada Elections with other allegations coming from Conservative MP Erin O'Toole and NDPMP Jenny Kwan.

O'Toole told the House of Commons earlier this month that CSIS told him he has been an ongoing target of a Chinese government campaign of misinformation and "voter suppression" that covered the last federal election campaign.

Kwan said CSIS told her she is an "evergreen" target for Beijing. Both opposition MPssaid China's government is singling them out over their vocal support for democracy in Hong Kong and for religious and cultural minorities in China.

Kwan said Tuesday she wasn't aware the RCMP was speaking to election investigators about her.

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RCMP investigating claims China intimidated Conservative MP Michael Chong

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RCMP Commissioner Mike Duheme revealed to MPs that the force has opened an investigation into allegations of China targeting Conservative MP Michael Chong and his family. It has also offered help to Elections Canada with other investigations involving Erin O'Toole and Jenny Kwan.

"For my name to be thrown around at committee by the RCMP andother members every time that happens, it kind of makes you pause, right? It's disturbing to know that there's this ongoing situation," she said.

A spokesperson for the commissioner of Canada Elections said the agency continues toreview allegations of foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 federal general electionsbut will not provide further details, citing confidentiality.

The RCMP also gave an update Tuesday onthe so-called police stations allegedly operated by Beijing on Canadian soil. It said it has closed aboutseven or eight and continues to investigate.

"We are trying to build the relationship with the communities to have the people come forward and tell us their story, so we can have more evidence to lay appropriate charges " Duheme said.

He added that foreign interference investigations are complex and resource-intensive.