Giuliani associate Lev Parnas says Trump had knowledge of Ukraine pressure

A close associate of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer says he delivered an ultimatum in May to the incoming president of Ukraine: No senior U.S. officials would attend his inauguration and all American aid to the war-torn country would be withheld if an investigation into Joe Biden wasn't announced.

Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, made several potentially explosive claims in a televised interview Wednesday night with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. The day after Parnas said he delivered the message, the U.S. State Department announced Vice-President Mike Pence would no longer be attending the inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Parnas alleged Trump ordered Pence to stay away at the behest of Giuliani to send a clear message to the incoming Ukrainian administration that they needed to take seriously the demand for an investigation into Biden, a Democratic presidential candidate seen as a potential threat to Trump's 2020 re-election.

Parnas said every communication he had with Zelensky's team was at the direction of Giuliani, whom he regularly overheard briefing Trump about their progress by phone.

"President Trump knew exactly what was going on," said Parnas, a Soviet-born Florida businessman facing a raft of criminal charges related to campaign finance violations. "He was aware of all my movements. I wouldn't do anything without the consent of Rudy Giulianior the president."

Trump 'did nothing wrong'

Trump's press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, disparaged Parnas's account Thursday.

"Just to say 'Rudy told me these things' doesn't mean that ithas anything to do with the president," she told Fox & Friends."And it certainly doesn't mean that the president was directing him to do anything. We stand by exactly what we've been saying: The president did nothing wrong."

If true, Parnas's account undercuts a key Republican defence of Trump deployed during the ongoing impeachment fight that Trump's withholding of vital military aid to Ukraine last summer wasn't a quid pro quo for Biden investigations because Zelensky didn't know the money was being held up.

Giuliani called Parnas's statements "sad."

"I feel sorry for him," Giuliani said Wednesday in a text message to an AP reporter. "I thought he was an honorable man. I was wrong."

Asked directly if Parnas was lying, Trump's lawyer replied, "I'm not responding yet."

Parnas said he also heard Giuliani and another Trump-aligned defence lawyer, Victoria Toensing, briefing Attorney General William Barr by phone about their efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to announce the investigation into Biden and his son Hunter's business dealings.

"Barr was basically on the team," Parnas said.

The Justice Department said in September that Trump had not spoken to Barr about having Ukraine investigate the Bidens andthe attorney general had not discussed Ukraine with Giuliani. Justice Department spokespersonKerri Kupec said Wednesday that Parnas's claims were "100 per centfalse."

Democrats release documents

The new accusations came as House Democrats made public a trove of documents, text messages and photos from Parnas'ssmartphones that appear to verify parts of his account.

A federal judge earlier this month ruledParnas could provide the materials to Congress as part of the impeachment proceedings. Democrats voted in December to impeach Trump for abuse of power and for obstruction of Congress.

A House committee chairman said Wednesday his panel will investigate "profoundly alarming" text messages among the newly disclosed materials that have raised questions about the possible surveillance of former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch before she was ousted by the Trump administration last spring.

• Democrats release new documents on eve of impeachment trial

The messages show a Robert F. Hyde, a Republican candidate for Congress from Connecticut, disparaged Yovanovitch in messages to Parnas and gave him updates on her location and cellphone use.

Rep. Eliot Engel, a New York Democrat who chairs the House foreign affairs committee, said Wednesdaythe messages are "profoundly alarming" and "suggest a possible risk" to Yovanovitch's security in Kyiv before she was recalled from her post.

"These threats occurred at the same time that thetwo men were also discussing President Trump's efforts, through Rudy Giuliani, to smear the ambassador's reputation," Engel said.

He said the committee staff flagged the information for the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and is seeking assurances that proper steps have been taken to ensure the security of Yovanovitch and committee staff. He said he also wanted to know what, if anything, the State Department knew about the situation.

"This unprecedented threat to our diplomats must be thoroughly investigated and, if warranted, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," Engel said.

Impeachment trial looms

Democrats released the files Tuesday and Wednesday as they prepared to send articles of impeachment to the Senate for Trump's trial. The documents could add pressure on the Senate as it debates whether to hear witnesses in the trial.

The text and phone records show Parnas communicating with Giuliani multiple times a day before Yovanovitch's removal, as well as a handwritten note that mentions asking Ukraine's president to investigate "the Biden case."

Among the documents is a screenshot of a previously undisclosed letter from Giuliani to Zelensky dated May 10, 2019, which was shortly after Zelensky was elected, but before he took office. In the letter, Giuliani requests a meeting with Zelensky "as personal counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge and consent."

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'Trump knew exactly what was going on' with regard to pressuring Ukraine, Lev Parnas says

The Associated Press reported in October that Zelensky had huddled three days earlier, on May 7, with a small group of key advisers in Kyiv to seek advice about how to navigate the insistence from Trump and Giuliani for a probe into the Bidens. He expressed his unease about becoming entangled in the American elections, according to three people familiar with the details of the three-hour meeting. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, which has roiled U.S.-Ukrainian relations.

One of the documents released by Democrats is a handwritten note on stationery from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that says "get Zalensky to Annonce that the Biden case will be Investigated."

Parnas told Maddow he took the notes as he was speaking by phone to Giuliani, receiving precise instructions about the demands Trump wanted to convey to Zelensky's team.

Trump asked Zelensky in a July 25 call to investigate the Bidens. Hunter Biden served on the board of a gas company based in Ukraine.

The documents were sent to the House Judiciary Committee by three other House panels "to be included as part of the official record that will be transmitted to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment," according to a statement. Some of the materials were made public while others were blacked out and marked as sensitive.

Parnas and his business partner, Igor Fruman, both U.S. citizens who emigrated from the former Soviet Union, were indicted last year on charges of conspiracy, making false statements and falsification of records. Prosecutors allege they made outsize campaign donations to Republican causes after receiving millions of dollars originating from Russia. The men have pleaded not guilty.

Parnas's lawyer, Joseph Bondy, told the New York Times his client is looking to co-operate with prosecutors whoare investigating Giuliani and his dealings in Ukraine.

"We very much want to provide substantial assistance to the government," Bondy told the newspaper.

Parnastold the Times although he didn't speak with Trump directly about the efforts, he met with the president on several occasions and was told by Giuliani that Trump was kept in the loop.

In several of the documents, Parnas communicated with Giuliani about the removal of Yovanovitch. The ambassador's ouster, ordered by Trump, was at the centre of the Democrats' impeachment inquiry. Yovanovitch testified in the House impeachment hearings that she was the victim of a "smear campaign."

Trump on the July call told Zelensky that Yovanovitch was "going to go through some things." She had been recalled from her diplomatic post roughly three months earlier.

On April 23, just before Yovanovitch was directed to return to the United States, Giuliani texted Parnas, "He fired her again." Parnas texted back, "I pray it happens this time I'll call you tomorrow my brother."

Parnas also received messages from Hyde, who referred to Yovanovitch as a "bitch." Hyde, a Republican, is now running for a U.S. House seat in Connecticut.

After texting about the ambassador, Hyde gave Parnas detailed updates that suggested he was watching her. In one text, Hyde wrote: "She's talked to three people. Her phone is off. Her computer is off." He said she was under heavy security and "we have a person inside."

Hyde at one point texted Parnas that "they are willing to help if we/you would like a price," and "guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money ... is what I was told."

Parnas texted back: "lol."

Yovanovitch calls for probe

Lawrence Robbins, an attorney for Yovanovitch, called for an investigation into the messages.

On Thursday, Ukrainian police saidthey have opened an investigation into the possibility the former U.S. ambassador came under illegal surveillance before she was recalled from her post.

In a Twitter post Tuesday, Hyde called Parnas a "dweeb" and suggested the messages about surveilling the ambassador were a joke. He said he welcomed an investigation.

Parnas, in turn, also said Wednesday that Hyde's texts shouldn't be taken seriously.

The text messages show that Parnas consulted Giuliani in January 2019 after the U.S. denied a visa to former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. Giuliani replied: "I can revive it."

The following day, Giuliani told Parnas, "It's going to work I have no 1 in it." Giuliani then predicted "he will get one," before giving Parnas the phone number for Jay Sekulow, the leader of the president's personal legal team. Sekulow is expected to be part of Trump's legal team during the impeachment trial.

Trump has repeatedly denied knowing Parnas and Fruman, despite numerous photos that have emerged of the men together. Among the materials released from Parnas's phone this week were more photos of him with Trump, as well as the president's son Donald Trump Jr., first daughter Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner.

Asked by Maddow about Trump's denials of knowing him, Parnas said he had spoken one on one with the president numerous times.

"He lied," Parnas said of the president. "I mean, we're not friends. Me and him didn't watch football games together, we didn't eat hot dogs. But he knew exactly who we were, who I was especially."