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Trump's former chief of staff says he's a fascist. Harris says it reveals who Trump 'really is'

Kamala Harris said Wednesday that recently reported comments Donald Trump made to his longest-serving chief of staff offer a window into who the former president really is and the kind of commander-in-chief he would be.

Trump's campaign denied the comments John Kelly reported he'd said about Hitler

Former chief-of-staff says Trump fits general definition of fascist

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Former U.S. president Donald Trumps one-time chief-of-staff John Kelly describes Trump as 'fitting the general definition of fascist in a new Atlantic interview. The retired U.S. Marine Corps. general also said Trump, on more than one occasion, said Hitler did some good things.

Kamala Harris said Wednesday that recently reported comments Donald Trump made to his longest-serving chief of staff offer a window into who the former president "really is" and the kind of commander-in-chief he would be.

In interviews with The New York Times and The Atlantic published Tuesday, John Kelly warned that the Republican nominee meets the definition of a fascist, and that while Trump was in office,he suggested that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler "did some good things."

Harris repeated her increasingly dire warnings about Trump's mental fitness and his intentions for the presidency.

"This is a window into who Donald Trump really is, from the people who know him best, from the people who have worked with him side by side in the Oval Office and in the situation room," Harris told reporters outside the vice-president's residence in Washington.

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Democratic presidential nominee and U.S. Vice-President Kamala Harris speaks at the vice-president's residence in Washington on Wednesday. (Mark Schiefelbein/The Associated Press)

The comments from Kelly, the retired Marine general who worked for Trump in the White House from 2017 to 2019, build on past warnings from former top Trump officials as the election enters its final two weeks.

Kelly has long been critical of Trump and previously accused him ofcalling veteranskilled in combat "suckers" and "losers." His new warnings emerged as Trump seeks a second term vowing todramatically expand his use of the militaryat home and suggesting he would use force to go after Americans he considers "enemies from within."

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kellyrecalled to the Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing [Hitler]did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Harris calls Trumps reported comments praising Hitler deeply troubling

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Democratic nominee Kamala Harris said Trump's reported comments praising Adolf Hitler offer a window into who the former president 'really is'. Power & Politics speaks to political scientist Matthew Grossmann about the state of play in the U.S. presidential race as it enters the final two-week sprint.

'He wants a military that is loyal to him':Harris

In hisinterview with the Atlantic, Kelly recalled that when Trump raised the idea of needing "German generals," Kelly would ask if he meant "Bismarck's generals," referring to Otto von Bismarck, the chancellor who oversaw the unification of Germany. "Surely you can't mean Hitler's generals," Kelly recalled asking Trump. To which the former president responded, "Yeah, yeah, Hitler's generals."

Trump's campaign denied the accounts. Campaign spokespersonSteven Cheung said Kelly had "beclowned himself with these debunked stories he has fabricated."

Harris said Wednesday that Trump admired Hitler's generals because he "does not want a military that is loyal to the United States Constitution, he wants a military that is loyal to him. He wants a military who will be loyal to him personally."

Polls show the race is tight in swing states, and both Trump and Harris are crisscrossing the country making their final pitches to the sliver of undecided voters.

Harris's campaign has spent considerable time reaching out to independent voters, using the support of longtime Republicans such as former Rep. Liz Cheney and comments like Kelly's to urge past Trump voters to reject his candidacy in November.

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Republican presidential nominee and former president Donald Trump waves to supporters at a campaign rally at Greensboro Coliseum on Tuesday in Greensboro, N.C. (Julia Demaree Nikhinson/The Associated Press)

Harris's campaign held a call with reporters Tuesday to elevate the voices of retired military officials who highlighted howmany of the officials who worked with Trump now oppose his campaign.

"People that know him best are most opposed to him, his presidency," said retired Army Brig.-Gen. Steve Anderson.

Anderson said he wished Kelly would fully back Harris over Trump, something he has yet to do. But retired Army reserve Col. Kevin Carroll, a former senior counsellor to Kelly, said Wednesday that the former top Trump official would "rather chew broken glass than vote for Donald Trump."

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Trump and Harris campaign in battleground states

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On Monday, Donald Trump was in North Carolina, where he insulted his Democratic opponent and made false claims about the Biden administration diverting disaster-relief funds. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris joined forces with Republican Liz Cheney to appeal to moderate voters.

Kelly said Trump meets definition of fascist

Before serving as Trump's chief of staff, Kelly worked as the former president's secretary of homeland security, where he oversaw Trump's attempts to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Kelly was also at the forefront of the Trump administration's crackdown in immigration policy that led to the separation of thousands of immigrant parents and their children along the southern border. Those actions made him a villain to many on the left, including Harris.

When Kellyjoined the board of a company operating the nation's largest detention center for unaccompanied migrant children, Harris wrote during her 2019 run for president that he "was the architect of the Trump Administration's cruel child separation policy. Now he will profit off the separation of families. It's unethical. We are better than this."

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Then-president Trump listens to then-White House chief of staff John Kelly in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington on Oct. 10, 2018. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/The Associated Press)

When she was in Miami for a primary debate in June 2019, Harris was also one of a dozen Democratic presidential candidates who journeyed south of Miami to the detention centre. There, they protested against the Trump administration's harsh treatment of young migrants, including calling out Kelly for serving on the board of the company behind the site in Homestead, Fla., after he left the Trump administration.

In his interview with the Times, Kelly also said Trump met the definition of a fascist. After reading the definition aloud, including that fascism was "a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader," Kelly concluded Trump "certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure."

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Kelly added that Trump often fumed at any attempt to constrain his power, and that "he would love to be" a dictator.

"He certainly prefers the dictator approach to government," Kelly told the Times.

"I think he'd love to be just like he was in business he could tell people to do things and they would do it, and not really bother too much about whether what the legalities were and whatnot."

Kelly is not the first former top Trump administration official to cast the former president as a threat.

Retired Army generalMark A. Milley, who served as Trump's chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,told Bob Woodward in his recent book Warthat Trump was "fascist to the core" and "the most dangerous person to this country." And retired general Jim Mattis, who worked as secretary of defence under Trump,reportedly later told Woodwardthat he agreed with Milley's assessment.


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